Did William Travis Draw A Line In The Sand
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| Perhaps someone from the San Antonio area or Texas in full general can shed some low-cal on the post-obit. While in the Air Force, I visited the Alamo. As you recall, during the Boxing of the Alamo, March 6, 1836, Col William B. Travis is said to have fatigued a line in the dirt (or sand depending on the account) with his saber, and 179 of the 180 defenders crossed over the line thus demonstrating a willingness to cede their lives for Texas' freedom which they did later on. Traditionally, there were no survivors of the battle of the Alamo, only records of that period evidence that at that place were about xl (their names are listed on-line). Most were the wives and slaves of the soldiers, merchants, etc. One was a defender of the Alamo, a Mexican, who convinced the victors that he had merely been a prisoner of war. Louis Roses was the defender who left before the final battle. Afterwards, the 40 survivors were extensively interviewed by the printing and even, patently, past a committee. None fabricated any mention of Travis' line in the sand. The story of the line in the sand was first published in 1873 past a William Zuber, a journalist and historian, in a writing titled An Escape from the Alamo. It was supposedly based on a claim of what Louis Rose told someone who related the story. Zuber later admitted that he had made up much of Travis' exhortations, which obviously had non been recorded. In 1888 the History of Texas for Schools was published for all Texas schoolhouse children that contained even further embellishments. Is anyone enlightened of evidence supporting the line in the sand story? |
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| Yep The history besides includes about 60-70 surviving men that fabricated a run for information technology to escape the killing only to run into a partition of Mexican Cavalry. There were no survivors of that endeavor. If you will read the letters from witnesses, there were several survivors of the boxing. Among them was D Crockett. Crockett pleaded for quarter to Santa Anna but the Mexican Gov't position was these fighters were no better than pirates and would non be spared. The letters claim that Crockett and the others were immediately taken out and shot. Their bodies burned in front of the chapel. In one of the many pics I take of the Alamo, one shows the 18lb cannon that was on the southeast wall. It appears that the cannon had been burned along with ruble. I've wondered if this was the place where they burned the bodies. Records practise not tell where. Here'south the Alamo before the The states Army took it over, remodeled information technology, put a roof on and used it for a quartermaster headquarters. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by TrapperL Yep The history also includes near 60-lxx surviving men that made a run for it to escape the killing only to run across a sectionalisation of Mexican Cavalry. In that location were no survivors of that attempt. If you volition read the letters from witnesses, at that place were several survivors of the boxing. Amidst them was D Crockett. Crockett pleaded for quarter to Santa Anna but the Mexican Gov't position was these fighters were no better than pirates and would non be spared. The letters merits that Crockett and the others were immediately taken out and shot. Their bodies burned in front of the chapel. In i of the many pics I have of the Alamo, one shows the 18lb cannon that was on the southeast wall. It appears that the cannon had been burned forth with ruble. I've wondered if this was the place where they burned the bodies. Records do not tell where. Here's the Alamo before the US Ground forces took it over, remodeled it, put a roof on and used it for a quartermaster headquarters. REPLY: I didn't find any history of the "line in the sand" in the website you posted. Mayhap you tin cite the passage specifically and tell us the source. |
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| I did - are you hither to argue or find an reply? Become back and read it again. |
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| OP has opened a can of worms. There is really no testify i mode or the other. THE ALAMO - Tabular array of Contents |
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| If the link took y'all to a short page, you would need to click on "The Battle". From the Alamo's website: On February 23, 1836, the arrival of Full general Antonio López de Santa Anna's army outside San Antonio about caught them past surprise. Undaunted, the Texians and Tejanos prepared to defend the Alamo together. The defenders held out for 13 days against Santa Anna's ground forces. William B. Travis, the commander of the Alamo sent along couriers carrying pleas for aid to communities in Texas. On the eighth day of the siege, a band of 32 volunteers from Gonzales arrived, bringing the number of defenders to nearly two hundred. Legend holds that with the possibility of boosted help fading, Colonel Travis drew a line on the ground and asked whatever man willing to stay and fight to pace over — all except one did. As the defenders saw it, the Alamo was the central to the defense of Texas, and they were ready to give their lives rather than surrender their position to General Santa Anna. Amid the Alamo'south garrison were Jim Bowie, renowned knife fighter, and David Crockett, famed frontiersman and former congressman from Tennessee. Quote: There is really no testify one way or the other. History every bit we all know is written by the winner. It can likewise be written as something romantic. In the case of the Alamo, there's no direct history other than messages written by witnesses. Using that equally a yardstick, yes, the line in the sand happened. But since there were no survivors except one named Louis Rose who claims to take witnessed it, his is the only business relationship of it happening. You take history equally documented past one Mexican soldiers diary and others but obviously they weren't within the Alamo to take witnessed the line in the sand. According to Rose who was there within the Alamo, it happened. Did it for existent? That conformation died with the last bullet fired. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by TrapperL If the link took you to a brusque page, you would need to click on "The Battle". From the Alamo's website: On February 23, 1836, the arrival of General Antonio López de Santa Anna's army outside San Antonio nearly caught them by surprise. Undaunted, the Texians and Tejanos prepared to defend the Alamo together. The defenders held out for 13 days against Santa Anna'southward ground forces. William B. Travis, the commander of the Alamo sent along couriers conveying pleas for help to communities in Texas. On the eighth day of the siege, a band of 32 volunteers from Gonzales arrived, bringing the number of defenders to near ii hundred. Legend holds that with the possibility of boosted help fading, Colonel Travis drew a line on the footing and asked any human being willing to stay and fight to step over — all except one did. As the defenders saw it, the Alamo was the key to the defense of Texas, and they were prepare to give their lives rather than surrender their position to General Santa Anna. Amid the Alamo'south garrison were Jim Bowie, renowned knife fighter, and David Crockett, famed frontiersman and former congressman from Tennessee. History as nosotros all know is written by the winner. It tin can too be written equally something romantic. In the instance of the Alamo, there'southward no directly history other than letters written by witnesses. Using that every bit a yardstick, aye, the line in the sand happened. But since at that place were no survivors except i named Louis Rose who claims to have witnessed it, his is the only business relationship of it happening. You take history equally documented past one Mexican soldiers diary and others but apparently they weren't within the Alamo to take witnessed the line in the sand. According to Rose who was there inside the Alamo, it happened. Did information technology for existent? That conformation died with the concluding bullet fired. During the sesquicentennial anniversary in front of the Alamo. I'm no expert...just my 2¢ is all. Others with better knowledge of Texas History will provide |
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| Respond: " Legend holds that with the possibility of additional assistance fading, Colonel Travis drew a line on the footing and asked whatever man willing to stay and fight to step over — all except one did." That's the signal. If such an event had really happened, there would be some evidence given by some of the 40 survivors of the seige of the Alamo. Since in that location isn't, it seems we tin resonably conclude it'southward merely a fable which adult near xxx years afterward the event. Last edited by ancient warrior; 07-thirty-2013 at 07:45 AM.. Reason: improver |
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| Leon Hale, a columnist for the Houston Relate once said the story was spread through the book TEXAS HISTORY MOVIES, a book that we would at present classify equally a "graphic novel." Essentially a comic book with a difficult embrace, it was distributed free to school children in Texas past a private company. You can find a lot of information nearly the book on the internet, and it is yet for auction on Amazon. I've also seen information technology in used book stores. -swahili |
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| Quote: Originally Posted past ancient warrior Mayhap someone from the San Antonio area or Texas in full general can shed some low-cal on the following. While in the Air Strength, I visited the Alamo. Every bit you recall, during the Battle of the Alamo, March vi, 1836, Col William B. Travis is said to take fatigued a line in the clay (or sand depending on the business relationship) with his saber, and 179 of the 180 defenders crossed over the line thus demonstrating a willingness to sacrifice their lives for Texas' liberty which they did later. Traditionally, at that place were no survivors of the boxing of the Alamo, but records of that flow evidence that there were about forty (their names are listed on-line). Most were the wives and slaves of the soldiers, merchants, etc. I was a defender of the Alamo, a Mexican, who convinced the victors that he had only been a pow. Louis Roses was the defender who left before the concluding boxing. Later, the xl survivors were extensively interviewed by the press and even, evidently, past a commission. None made any mention of Travis' line in the sand. The story of the line in the sand was showtime published in 1873 by a William Zuber, a announcer and historian, in a writing titled An Escape from the Alamo. It was supposedly based on a merits of what Louis Rose told someone who related the story. Zuber later admitted that he had fabricated upwardly much of Travis' exhortations, which obviously had not been recorded. In 1888 the History of Texas for Schools was published for all Texas school children that contained fifty-fifty farther embellishments. Is anyone aware of prove supporting the line in the sand story? Regardless if the line was drawn with a sabre or a yardstick,the fact still remains and always will,that Brave men from all walks of life,believed in ane thing,"FREEDOM",and gave up their lives for it.Expect around you,SAN ANTONIO is what it is today |
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